lurentt

我打了几大段全没了 我真想自杀了事 楼上的亲，看了你最后的一句话我心绞痛又犯了

qincang

这段剧情写的很有感觉，谢谢楼主
看了真是万般滋味在心头。。
justin的无奈与痛苦，最终选择的离去，
brian的骄傲，无措，最终只能眼睁睁的看着justin离去
看了真是很难过。两个相爱的人，两个知道彼此相爱的人，却要分开，
太痛苦了。。。

tiantian

第五季的小J真的是成熟了对自己想要的生活非常清楚，敢于选择自己的道路不再追逐在B的身后了这点是唯一值得安慰的 始终认为他们之间的问题关键在于B，我觉得B说他不愿改变“i won't"，其实是他不敢尝试改变他怕他始终没有办法做到family man 他怕他开始依赖family life而收到伤害他不愿改变现有的生活方式，那种他已经习惯了的”安全“的生活方式 在这点上，不得不说B是个自私的情人他爱他自己始终超过小J 尽管不愿承认，但一路看到现在，我真的有这种感受现在的BJ，或许还真的不适合长相厮守

Brian不是一个自私的人,这是地球人都知道的啊~~ 他爱Justin,一切都给了不是吗? 爱,关心,温柔,

霸道,甚至把最真实的自己都让Justin拥有了,唯一没有给的就是拉着Justin走进教堂,在神父和朋友面前

亲吻Justin,大声地对他说I do!

其实,Brian两次放手,已经恰恰说明了,他爱Justin胜过爱自己,因为,他的痛苦是那么的明显......

He says "I won't" 可能 跟他所看到的婚姻范例有很大的关系.......

婚姻是什么呢??身心都要对自己的伴侣忠诚吧......

这两只在身体的本能需求方面都是无法做到婚姻中的那种唯一吧......所以可能不愿让彼此都被束缚住呢!

但但但是偶还是天天盼望他们能marriage,只看到小Brian和小Justin亲亲,摸摸,抱抱和...嘿嘿...做他们爱做的事...呵呵...呼呼...yes!

together  forever  from now on 吧~~
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sowhat2005

很能体会j的心情，一点都不同情brian，不过仍然很期待510，也打算只看这集了

jojojo

早就對CL不抱希望了
現在最愛的是BJ future fic
一定要找到一個最佳版本~

minicooper

这段的出现是不是源于B要和那个自由大道新的野兽较量阿，然后小J不能接受b重新f**k around的生活，所以选择离开.......是这样的么

polestar

下面是引用minicooper于2005-05-26 06:19发表的:
这段的出现是不是源于B要和那个自由大道新的野兽较量阿，然后小J不能接受b重新f**k around的生活，所以选择离开.......是这样的么

最主要應該是Brian在一次bj中得到梅毒
這才讓小J驚覺，B大是不會停止去f＊＊k會動的東西
再加上那個令人惡寒的比賽............

507雖然看的令人痛苦
但是也唯有如此，才能讓B大的愛情智商迅速成長
也才會在510時說出那三個字
所以是非常關鍵的一集

bing

不注过程，只重结果，小J还是会回来的，他们还是会在一起的，OK

iss37

心情比较平静~~~

lurentt

这里是BM fight scene in 507,来源相同。让我震惊的BM分开很大程度上竟然是因为BJ的问题，所以这段虽说是BM说话，却是BJ问题，关注的亲看下去，但是事先说明 B的痛苦超过了我的想象 我觉得这段比直接分手那段更刺伤我的心，请自备手帕

原文地址http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QA ... ilers/message/62577

Brian and Michael fight scene 507

This one is amazing scene folks. I have to tell you, Gale is
magnificent in portraying Brian's anger, but Hal does a good job too.
I'm sure there will be some !@#$ Novotny rants from some quarters
after you read this, but I'm telling you, Mikey was not off-base here.

It occurs in the same ep. as the B/J breakup...sometime afterwards,
but I do not know how close afterwards.

The scene:

The Bruckner-Novotny's.

A shot of the dark living room, seen from the side of the staircase

There is a loud insistant banging at the front door.

Lights come on and we hear Ben's voice

Ben: "Alright! I'm co-oming!匫kay. O-Okay"

Ben comes down the stairs and heads to the front door

Ben: (almost to himself as he reached the entryway)"Stop already?"

He pulls the door open revealing an agitated and apparently drunk
Brian, one arm is folded across his chest, his other is bent with his
elbow resting on the other arm. A cigarette in his hand, held near
his mouth

Ben: Brian?

Brian: (slightly slurring his words, weaving a bit) EX-ce-lent ,
perfessor. You have recognized the subject and iDIN -tified him. (a
little Georgia accent creeping in?)

Ben: We've gone to bed.

Brian: Right, I forgot The STEPFORD husbands (yells this in the
direction of the general neighborhood) TURN IN EARLY!

Ben: (grabs for Brian's arm to pull him inside): Get in here, you'll
wake the whole neighborhood

Brian gives him a "that's the whole idea" look. Puffs on the
cigarette, then throws it down on the porch and stomps it with his
foot, then walks past Ben into the house. Ben looks down a sec,
probably at the mashed cigarette on his nice clean porch.

Brian has stormed, or rather lurched into the middle of the living
room. Fire in his eyes and an evil Brianesque grin on his face

Brian: I want to see your wife. Where IS the little woman? Or little
huz-band!

Ben: You mean Michael?

Brian: (puts his hands up in front of his face and clenches his
fingers in a claw-like manner) Who the F**K else would I be referring
to?

Ben: He's aSLEEP!

Brian: (VERY serious now and in Ben's face. Combination shout and
growl) ROUSE HIM! Wake Him Up!! (looks toward the stairs) MICHAEL!
Get your ass down?br>
Ben tries to body block Brian, who moves around him

Ben: I think you better go, you better go

(he moves in front of Brian again)

Brian: (in an almost a kid-like neener-neener tone, accompanied by a
slight wagging of his head) I'm not going ANYwhere

Ben: Come on get out. I said get your ass out of my house. (Ben
shoves against Brian again and they back off and look as if they are
about to come to blows)

Michael's voice: It's OK Ben.

Michael comes down the stairs and walks around behind Ben to stand
looking up at Brian

Michael: (to Ben) I'll handle this. Go to bed

Ben; Ya sure?

Michael looks at him and nods. Ben goes up the stairs as Brian
smiles/leers at him. Michael turns to look at Brian with an "Explain
yourself!" expression

Brian sways back, smiles drunkenly and says

Brian: Well, Mikey. ConGRATulations.

Michael: For WHAT?

Brian: You WON!

Michael passes in front of him and goes into the dining room.

Brian: (following with the same drunken smile on his face) To the
spoiler... goes the victory.

Michael: I DON'T know what you're talking about.

Brian: Of COURSE you don't. No one plays dewy-eyed innocent like
you. (leaning into Michael's face and forming a sneer with each word)
Although at 35 you're getting a bit long in the tooth for short pants.

Michael: (sneering back) Speaking about outgrowing your act, nothing
is more pathetic, to use one of your favorite words, than an over-the-
hill club boy (turns and walks away)

Brian follows him chuckling in mocking tone. They walk into the
kitchen and Michael grabs the glass carafe from the coffee machine
and heads toward the sink. Brian leans into him again.

Brian: YOU infected him.

Michael stops and turns to look at Brian. Confused.

Brian: (furious) You and your petty bourgeois, mediocre, conformist,
assimilationist, life! (pause. They look at each other) Thanks to you
he has visions (sneeringly, mocking) Babies! Weddings! White picket
fences dancing (he points his forefinger to the side of his head) in
his blond little head.

Michael: and you think *I* put them there.

Brian: (waving his left hand in the air) Before you and your husband
tied the noose around your neck, he was (raging now) PERFECTLY HAPPY!
And now...he's a defector...just like the rest of y..

Michael (his turn to get into Brian's face and shout) He was NEVER
perfectly happy!

Brian stares a minute then walks around Michael and into the foyer.
Michael follows him, talking

Michael: Waiting for years for you to say, `I love you. You're the
only one one I want'.

Brian stops throws his hands up toward his face.. Then stops and
gestures with both hands to Michael.

Brian: That's... NOT...who... I am

Michael: (loudly, gesturing back at Brian with both hands) Don't we
ALL know!

Brian: (turns away. Line delivered in a slight sing-song manner) and
now...he's HERE..in YOUR... house.

Michael: (follows) It's not a house, it's a home

Brian (angry again. Turns to confront him) It's a FARCE. (practically
screams) It's a FREAK SHOW!

They are back where they started now with the side of the staircase
behind Michael.

Michael: (looking up at Brian defiantly) Call it what you want. I
really don't care. But he didn't leave because I inFECTed him.
(Michael is shown in close-up over Brian's right shoulder) He left
because of YOU.

Cut to Brian's face. He is silent, but he has a slight mocking smile
forming on his face.

Cut back to Michael

Michael: Who WOULDN'T?

Cut back to Brian. Silent. Not smiling anymore. In fact he is
stunned. He just stares. His mouth is slightly open and he remains
silent. Is he shocked by what Michael said it or that is it MICHAEL
who said it?

Close up of Michael's face

Close up of Brian's face

They stare at each other

Brian turns and walks away

Brian walks toward the camera which is shooting up from floor level .
Michael is by the stairs in the background. Brian walks directly into
the camera and out of the frame leaving Michael standing in the
background

Quick cut to the top of the stairs. Standing at the railing is a
sober-faced, sad Justin. He stands there for a couple beats , turns
and walks out of the frame

我没有想到B会把他的这一面给J看到。。。。。。。。我没什么别的想法，就是觉得 J怎么能忍住不追出去的，要是我肯定受不了了  [s:203]  [s:203]

shelly116

天啊~大人你就是想让我再伤心一次...

唉~突然喜欢上M了~
想想他也不容易,喜欢某人十年都没有结果,好不容易以为某人能够为人改变,能够爱别人时却又遭受了沉重的打击.
我觉得他也不完全是为了小J而生气,更多的是为了自己.
为了自己十年无奈的等待.

某人啊...你还不觉悟吗?(B的饭追杀中...)


PS:and now...he's HERE..in YOUR... house.
大叔怎么知道小J在M家呢??
不明白~~ [s:202]

mangie

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真正的放声大哭中....
我越来越受不了J了...我知道我不能在这里骂他,不过我真的已经压抑了很久了....
我只是想B幸福,仅仅这样而已..打爆CL..
就像某人说过的,BJ就是"相爱的刺猬",只能远远地看着彼此,在一起注定要伤害到对方.
都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,都是CL的错,

qafjustin

谁给我翻译啊，我的天啊，一段一段的英语……

darwingill

下面是引用shelly116于2005-05-26 10:45发表的Re:507BJ分手场景(from yahoo group):
天啊~大人你就是想让我再伤心一次...

唉~突然喜欢上M了~
想想他也不容易,喜欢某人十年都没有结果,好不容易以为某人能够为人改变,能够爱别人时却又遭受了沉重的打击.
我觉得他也不完全是为了小J而生气,更多的是为了自己.
.......

i agree with u!!!!

minicooper

brian居然喝醉了。。。小J看到他为了他那么痛苦居然不追出去。。。。。

还有天理么！！！

mangie

没有!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

springer

哦，這一段兒brian和mike的，倒是比和justin那一段更能説明問題。

bj有时太短兵相接了，他们自己心裏明白，但給观众的語言性臺詞欠缺，留白太多。
導致你可以這樣理解，也可以那樣理解，

但和m的台詞，要更直接，更切中要害。

值得一看。。 [s:183]  [s:183]  [s:183]

路德维希

终于就着词霸看完了。。 [s:188]
泪。。。
互相折磨得两人。你们不痛我们都心痛了。。 [s:203]  [s:203]

cookiesumin

志不同道不合，不相为谋。J分了就不会拖泥带水，干嘛要追，又不是琼瑶小说。他在308说他知道B能给他什么所以回到B身边(B也说了他能给只是不想给)，507J说既然他的愿望遥不可及，两人又何必继续耗下去，清清楚楚，干脆利落。B也没有错，That's who he is, judge yourself.CL更没错，他们又没拿着刀逼我们看，错的是观众，接受不了不看不就没事了。什么天不天理，现实就是残酷的，说US版不够真实，给点真实又哭天喊地，CL真是吃力不讨好呀。

d10100

Brian: Of COURSE you don't. No one plays dewy-eyed innocent like
you. (leaning into Michael's face and forming a sneer with each word)
Although at 35 you're getting a bit long in the tooth for short pants.

Michael: (sneering back) Speaking about outgrowing your act, nothing
is more pathetic, to use one of your favorite words, than an over-the-
hill club boy (turns and walks away)
这两句什么意思？？？？？？
晕啊！！后面的BM的对话都是在说什么啊~~我怎么看的云里雾里的！！
[s:202]

leslielala

天啊，我喜欢这一幕。

lurentt

下面是引用cookiesumin于2005-05-26 19:18发表的:
志不同道不合，不相为谋。J分了就不会拖泥带水，干嘛要追，又不是琼瑶小说。他在308说他知道B能给他什么所以回到B身边(B也说了他能给只是不想给)，507J说既然他的愿望遥不可及，两人又何必继续耗下去，清清楚楚，干脆利落。B也没有错，That's who he is, judge yourself.CL更没错，他们又没拿着刀逼我们看，错的是观众，接受不了不看不就没事了。什么天不天理，现实就是残酷的，说US版不够真实，给点真实又哭天喊地，CL真是吃力不讨好呀。

首先欢迎大人光临鄙贴
大人的话我看到倒数第二句都在脸红接受中。有些道理明白不一定做的到，每个人看电视剧关注的东西不一样 获得的感情也不一样 事到如今 我已经不可能客观 公平 冷静的看待BJ之间的感情发展 看到他们分开我的心会很痛 所以忍不住发泄了一下。但是我又可以理解BJ的想法 所以很多时候只能怪到编剧头上了 我承认自己忽略了看贴人的心情 丧失了对CL的理解和尊重 我马上就把自己误导性的话语删掉 抱歉造成大家的不快。

其次我想说US版真不真实我是不知道 毕竟我身边没有可以参照的例子 但是 如果说这幕就是所谓的真实 恕我不能认同 这里我不是指J没有追出去或是怎的（我只是想他怎么可以忍心看B那样离开 不是说他真会追出去）而是说CL处心积虑的给5季增加BJ情感卖点的方法：首先是M建立新家对J造成的影响 生活观念的分歧导致矛盾不可调和化 然后一个梅毒变成导火索 他们分开了 。看到这里我尚且能够理解。我所不能理解的是如果CL传达给我们的是BJ追求生活的不一样 那这个裂痕显然不是一场爆炸后的一次真情表白能解决的问题。我不相信B在三集的时间里能颠覆掉他30几年建立的人生观和价值取向，那这样的复合有什么样的意义。我不是觉得B不会为了J而改变 而是觉得如今BJ的感情发展即使看到他们复合都有点胆战心惊。难道是CL也无法解决这样的问题 所以把J拍到纽约去了？我觉得他们分明有为了拉拢女性观众而故意折腾这两个的嫌疑。

leslielala

楼上的我理解你，但是，戏剧的本质就是冲突，如果没有矛盾剧情也发展不下去，不管怎样我就喜欢看BJ情海翻波。